i am not convinced abt some jobs (attributed to castes) creating positive energy and some negative energy. who decides which job creates positive energy and which jobs negative? is there any verification done by whoever that had said it initially? isnt it the mindset of our forefathers that some jobs are not good (look down attitude) and some good (in turn, the attribution to caste) made the distinction (subsequently the negative energy thingy)?

religion is just to show a way of life, to whoever that follows it. its purpose is NOT to keep away its follower. a 100 years back, when low caste people were not allowed in temples, they made there own temple. there werent any side effects of this in the energy front. sree narayana guru, on receival of protests replied that they are worshipping ezhava shiva and not brahmana shiva. there have been God’s for low caste people in all these years too. the tribals had muthi, chathan and stuff like that. its not like they are not worshiping anything.

in this para, what i wanted to say is, there was an alternate stream of worship in the castes who werent permitted to temples. they worshipped the same hindu Gods! So if that was possible, then i dont think there is any problem with anyone worshipping in temples.

another example. look at other religions? why is negative energy not affecting the followers of that religion. especially in christianity and budhism, the religions with the largest number of followers in the world? why does this negative energy (and denying entry due to caste/religion) is only there in hinduism? if something is done by a minority (unlike RSS people say, hinduism is a minority religion when we take the world as a whole), then isnt there a chance that it is wrong?

caste system of india, is the worst thing that cud’ve ever happened to india. a lot of problems are out there due to this single thing. well, thats another huge debate, so leavin it

this is going a long way. i better stop here

things were okay with me until i started reading the energy thingy :-). To be frank, though i’d heard abt it before (temple is an ocean of positive energy and increase with more people visiting it, and that such energies (positive and negative) are the ones responsible for the wellness and disease of a person (the basis of reiki, pranic healing ways of treatment), i was never quite convinced abt that, i mean the attribution of positive/negative energy in temples and subsequently denying admittance to some ppl. i believe if some such thing is there, it would be something that worshipers bring and shud hv to be there in the prayer hall, irrespective of the religion in question.

i am not convinced abt some jobs (attributed to castes) creating positive energy and some negative energy. who decides which job creates positive energy and which job negative? is there any verification done by whoever that had said it initially?

if i agree that some jobs create negative energy for the time being, isnt the person who is having negative energy the one who shud get some postive energy by coming to the temple so that he wud become neutral, which wud make him better, as is the purpose of religion; to make people better? if only people who have positive energy go to temple, then the phenomenon happening is better explained by another famous sentence; “rich becoming richer and poor becoming poorer”!

coming back to Guruvayur temple, havent heard of a punyaham done there after foreigners (who eat beef and God knows have bathed or not) visit there. if everything is followed in the name of truth, why is there ironies like this? the one u mentioned, harivarasanam sung by yesudas played in sabarimala and things like that..

just came to my mind, the scene in the film perumthachan. he was required to make the idol out of a shapeless stone, but once the stone became an idol, he wasnt allowed to even touch it.. isnt this inhuman?

few things, in north india, the ganesha idols in temples are made of a kind of red wax, which the devotees take a bit and apply on their forehead. the idols become a round mass after sometime and vanishes eventually, to be replaced by another one. the kind of worship in temples of northern parts of india is entirely different. cud b treated more or less like a prayer hall.

religion is just to show a way of life, to whoever that follows it. its purpose is NOT to keep away its follower. a 100 years back, when low caste people were not allowed in temples, they made there own temple. there werent any side effects of this in the energy front. sree narayana guru, on receival of protests replied that they are worshipping ezhava shiva and not brahmana shiva. there have been God’s for low caste people in all these years too. the tribals had muthi, chathan and stuff like that. its not like they are not worshiping anything.

btw i have to agree on one thing. these days, a particular job is not done by a particular caste of people. caste - job relation had gone and anyone can do any job. considering this in mind, rules framed for a forlorn era have to be changed..

all these tells that the theory of energy in temples is a fabrication of an initiated. well, i’m not saying that u shud disbelieve it.. religion is nothing but a set of beliefs.. nothing more nothing less. the moment those beliefs are gone, u are an atheist.

string theory is a nice topic. u know, once there were six string theories in place. and there was no unification. it was an irony of all time that the “unified” theory of science had “six” variants!! that time, a physicist came and proposed that those were’nt six string theoris exactly, but were just six interpretations of the same thing, like we see six reflections of the same object on six mirrors from behind the object. so may be, ur view and my view are just two interpretations of the same thing. like the glass thats half empty or half full :-). may be, just may be, if u can set apart this energy thingy for a while and stop being influenced by it and think abt it rationally, u may get a different picture. a different interpretation of the same thing..

btw a lot of eaxmples come to my mind, that contradicts the +ve -ve energy relation. not writing due to lack of space and time

back slash: i am sitting in front of a computer monitor fitted with an electron gun shootting out electrons (negative energy) towards me of god knows what quantity! i mite b a bunch of negative energy and shudn’t ever go to a temple to worship the God i believe!

I totally agree that all the rules have been evolving. But it has always been evolving keeping the hard core of truth alive. As far as my knowledge is concerned Hinduism is not just a religion but an art of living itself. It gives you a basic set of rules on how to lead a life.

And I consider Mahabharata to be a book of science - A book which talks about the art of living as if it is telling a story. If you look deep in to the details of each of the events in Mahabharata you can find that there is some science behind it.

I consider the saints (including Vyasa) who lived before us as pure physicists. They were studying nature and the results they recorded as some rules. What I personally feel is that temple is a place where lots of positive energy is being permeated. And when you go to temple you exchange energy in the form of photons and other sub atomic particles I guess.

The books or Hinduism restricts a minimum requirement to enter the temple. You’ve to be tidy. You need to take a bath before entering the temple. That’ll release all the negative energy out of you and keep you fit to receive fresh positive energy from temple premises. And to enter temples in Kerala you’ve to remove your shirts, that is for just to provide a direct exposure to these positive energy.

Coming to idol worship, the idol which is placed in different temples are made of quality stones. I don’t know the exact procedure to be followed for making a vigraham, I guess it is a long procedure and they put the stone in different fluids for it to dissipate immense positive energy. And the measurements and all are too perfect. Even a mm deviation is not permitted. The Guruvayurappan vigraham is supposed to be very powerful in that way.

Now coming to other religions, they all have just prayer halls. They just go there and praise the lord. They too will be having some form of energy exchange but may not be as immense as the ones in temples.

Restricting the entry of temples to different people also has its own science behind it. People were divided into each castes based on what do they do for a living. For eg, a goldsmith family used to work with gold only. A blacksmith used to work with iron mainly. Similarly carpenters and farmers. And the beautiful part is that their family used to follow the same what their forefathers used to do.

And working with metals and all induces negative energy (or a high amount of positive energy)to your body(which is different from the one present in the temple). And entering the temple may cause some ill effects on such bodies. Hence they were not allowed to enter the temple. It is just to safe guard them. But now things have changed; there is no classification based on job in this society. Anybody can do anything. Hence there is no point in restricting the entry to temples to anyone. But I guess to get the maximum goodness of it you’ve to follow the principles of Hinduism.

PS: I may seem to be appealing for Hinduism. I think I’m a follower of hindu principles. Not following it blindly but by understanding the science behind it. I may be wrong. These are just my views on the religion. It may sound absurd to you.

Recently came to know that there is a branch of physics called string theory with which you can explain all laws of science, which leads to theory of everything. I guess my explanation is more or less based on string theory.

PPS: What I’ve talked above is based on temples in Kerala. I’ve not been much to other parts of India and hence I’m not sure about the custom being followed there.

Since all these were crafted by humans themselves, i don’t see any problem with amending it for taking care of fine things of a new era. Such outdated rules as punyaham in Guruvayoor temple in that way can be changed. Its demeaning to humanity.

History says Mahabharata was written over a period of more than 1000 years by various people, not just Vyasa alone. Vyasa might have started or might have consolidated it, we don’t know. What i am trying to say is Mahabharata “evolved” to its current form after so many iterations, removals and additions, where all changes were incorporated to take care of the then prevailing religious traits, which were all done by humans.

It’s hard to believe that religion keeps away people of certain caste in which case, it would uproot a religion’s fundamental cause of existence. Hence attachment of casteism to religion (keeping away people of some castes from entering into temple and giving some superior rights) were too done by humans, who were in power or didnt like people from other castes. I would call it a mistake of the history.

The history of Bible itself is a good pointer towards this. After Jesus’ death a lot of gospels were written by his disciples and followers. But the Bible in its present form was published in 3rd BC after a conference conducted by the them Roman emporer Constantine, who was against Christianity. A lot of originial manuscripts were destroyed and a new form which he desired was portrayed as the Christianity.

The connotation is history and for that matter, religions are devised by those who were in power/influence. Influence in the case of buddha. power in the case of constantine.

Overall, dont believe in something and follow something just because it has been followed all this while. Things we see today are not made by neutral people in the history. While believing in a religion and its traits is good in the sense it brings in self control and values in a person, it cant be taken too far to a point where it makes it difficult for one to see and empathize with the world around him, or at least see the humans around him.

Only Sri Krishna knows when will the Guruvayur Trust are going to think out of their religious fundamentalism. Who knows, he would be weeping inside having seen all these. But who cares the God these days?